1 00:00:11,860 --> 00:00:09,110 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:13,940 --> 00:00:11,870 from Australia for science and reason 3 00:00:16,860 --> 00:00:13,950 [Music] 4 00:00:22,620 --> 00:00:16,870 [Applause] 5 00:00:25,300 --> 00:00:22,630 [Music] 6 00:00:29,319 --> 00:00:25,310 yes it's the skeptic zone podcast 7 00:00:32,350 --> 00:00:29,329 episode number 575 for the 20th of 8 00:00:36,310 --> 00:00:32,360 October 2019 returns saunders here with 9 00:00:40,270 --> 00:00:36,320 you from sunny sunny sydney australia in 10 00:00:42,790 --> 00:00:40,280 fact today there's a street fair in the 11 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:42,800 suburb of Marrickville which I'll be 12 00:00:49,389 --> 00:00:46,489 going to a bit later on and normally at 13 00:00:51,130 --> 00:00:49,399 these big street fairs you can see the 14 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:51,140 odd bit of woo here and there and 15 00:00:56,289 --> 00:00:53,650 speaking of seeing woo here and there 16 00:00:59,700 --> 00:00:56,299 yesterday Peter Bowditch and I and Lara 17 00:01:03,509 --> 00:00:59,710 Menem with our friends Linden and Daryl 18 00:01:05,910 --> 00:01:03,519 attended the oh yes mind body wallet the 19 00:01:09,429 --> 00:01:05,920 mind-body-spirit festival here at 20 00:01:11,530 --> 00:01:09,439 Darling Harbour in Sydney this wonderful 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:11,540 event comes along every six months and 22 00:01:19,630 --> 00:01:14,650 it's always worth visiting to see what 23 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:19,640 new whoo is to do did we find any new 24 00:01:25,090 --> 00:01:22,610 woo well we'll find out at the top of 25 00:01:28,359 --> 00:01:25,100 the show where we report from mind body 26 00:01:30,130 --> 00:01:28,369 wallet following that it's a real 27 00:01:32,559 --> 00:01:30,140 example of the work being done by 28 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:32,569 guerrilla skepticism on Wikipedia big 29 00:01:37,239 --> 00:01:34,969 shout out to susan gerbic who with a lot 30 00:01:41,770 --> 00:01:37,249 of my friends right now Brian Dunning 31 00:01:43,539 --> 00:01:41,780 banachek and Celestia Ward from squaring 32 00:01:45,819 --> 00:01:43,549 the strange and a whole host of other 33 00:01:47,559 --> 00:01:45,829 skeptics are attending saikhan in Las 34 00:01:49,300 --> 00:01:47,569 Vegas wish I could be there hopefully 35 00:01:52,539 --> 00:01:49,310 we'll get some reports in the coming 36 00:01:55,749 --> 00:01:52,549 weeks about that anyway susan gerbic and 37 00:01:58,809 --> 00:01:55,759 her team put together a page regarding 38 00:02:00,609 --> 00:01:58,819 naturopath Barbara O'Neil who has been 39 00:02:02,649 --> 00:02:00,619 banned just recently from providing 40 00:02:04,510 --> 00:02:02,659 health services here in Australia and 41 00:02:07,629 --> 00:02:04,520 we're going to look at the wiki page 42 00:02:09,699 --> 00:02:07,639 because it explains exactly why she was 43 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:09,709 banned and I found this absolutely 44 00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:11,930 fascinating that's coming up a bit later 45 00:02:17,199 --> 00:02:15,110 on then we have Tim Mendham the editor 46 00:02:19,690 --> 00:02:17,209 and executive officer of Australian 47 00:02:21,790 --> 00:02:19,700 skeptics reading from an article he 48 00:02:23,260 --> 00:02:21,800 wrote in the magazine the skeptic the 49 00:02:26,410 --> 00:02:23,270 journal from Australian skeptics all 50 00:02:30,730 --> 00:02:26,420 about free speech this is part one of a 51 00:02:33,550 --> 00:02:30,740 two part series on free speech fighting 52 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:33,560 words this week fighting words part 1 53 00:02:37,700 --> 00:02:34,410 next week 54 00:02:40,730 --> 00:02:37,710 fighting words part 2 and the round off 55 00:02:43,310 --> 00:02:40,740 the show I report an article that was 56 00:02:47,270 --> 00:02:43,320 written in the weekend Australian 57 00:02:49,190 --> 00:02:47,280 magazine from noted skeptic Philip Adams 58 00:02:51,950 --> 00:02:49,200 here in Australia one of the co-founders 59 00:02:56,630 --> 00:02:51,960 or co patrons of the Australian skeptics 60 00:03:00,200 --> 00:02:56,640 he writes about the time James Randi 61 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:00,210 came to Australia in 1980 well that's 62 00:03:06,050 --> 00:03:01,770 all for me at the moment it's time for 63 00:03:09,290 --> 00:03:06,060 me to open the studio door run down the 64 00:03:12,140 --> 00:03:09,300 hall around the corner then run down the 65 00:03:14,660 --> 00:03:12,150 steps oh yes it's a bit complicated run 66 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:14,670 into the kitchen and have a mug of 67 00:03:19,790 --> 00:03:17,850 instant soup mmm well I do that I hope 68 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:19,800 you enjoy the skeptic zone 69 00:03:31,580 --> 00:03:28,650 [Music] 70 00:03:42,410 --> 00:03:31,590 [Applause] 71 00:03:47,339 --> 00:03:44,759 it's that time once again we're at 72 00:03:50,190 --> 00:03:47,349 darling harbour I'm with the red bag red 73 00:03:52,559 --> 00:03:50,200 bag red bag that name is stuck with you 74 00:03:54,929 --> 00:03:52,569 forever hasn't it has use unfortunately 75 00:03:57,479 --> 00:03:54,939 but confirm red bag red bag skomal red 76 00:04:00,990 --> 00:03:57,489 bag go red bags comrade bags don't come 77 00:04:03,420 --> 00:04:01,000 more than one man thank you now you and 78 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:03,430 I have been coming to mind body wallet 79 00:04:09,330 --> 00:04:06,970 for well over a decade I went to the 80 00:04:11,099 --> 00:04:09,340 very first one ever held and it was in 81 00:04:14,099 --> 00:04:11,109 the Park Royal Hotel in Parramatta and 82 00:04:15,539 --> 00:04:14,109 about 50 people turned up yeah yeah I 83 00:04:18,090 --> 00:04:15,549 think the audience they are outnumbered 84 00:04:20,819 --> 00:04:18,100 by the exhibitors and we've seen I mean 85 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:20,829 we've seen so many things fads come and 86 00:04:24,629 --> 00:04:23,440 go over there the years and years and 87 00:04:25,950 --> 00:04:24,639 years and years we've been coming to 88 00:04:28,020 --> 00:04:25,960 mind body wallet but there are the 89 00:04:29,580 --> 00:04:28,030 evergreens of course yeah I think though 90 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:29,590 it's definitely improved over the years 91 00:04:33,060 --> 00:04:31,570 in the last mile was he in a manner of 92 00:04:35,820 --> 00:04:33,070 speaking well they're far fewer of the 93 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:35,830 true medical quacks arrived they've 94 00:04:39,450 --> 00:04:37,810 almost disappeared I don't particularly 95 00:04:40,260 --> 00:04:39,460 care too much about some of the other 96 00:04:42,420 --> 00:04:40,270 people because they're just 97 00:04:45,060 --> 00:04:42,430 entertainment normal toilet relaxation a 98 00:04:48,330 --> 00:04:45,070 wave a crystal over your head if their 99 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:48,340 claim they can cure cancer then we've 100 00:04:51,629 --> 00:04:50,050 got to do something about it yeah and 101 00:04:53,370 --> 00:04:51,639 I've heard that here I've heard that 102 00:04:56,700 --> 00:04:53,380 here on more than one occasion this 103 00:04:58,710 --> 00:04:56,710 product XYZ this sloppy group in cure 104 00:05:02,219 --> 00:04:58,720 cancer there was one here who had done 105 00:05:04,650 --> 00:05:02,229 special water that had cancer curing 106 00:05:06,950 --> 00:05:04,660 properties ooh he said it comes from the 107 00:05:10,230 --> 00:05:06,960 pristine Blue Mountains of Sydney who I 108 00:05:12,390 --> 00:05:10,240 said I live in wentworth falls in the 109 00:05:13,890 --> 00:05:12,400 Blue Mountains does that mean I'll never 110 00:05:15,629 --> 00:05:13,900 get cancer and he just shut up and 111 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:15,639 walked away wouldn't talk to me anymore 112 00:05:20,700 --> 00:05:19,210 well I remember very well about you know 113 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:20,710 it could have been easily eight years 114 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:24,849 ago that one of these energy discs and 115 00:05:30,270 --> 00:05:27,610 the woman selling it or on the stand was 116 00:05:32,490 --> 00:05:30,280 saying that if you if you put this above 117 00:05:35,129 --> 00:05:32,500 a jug of water you can use that water as 118 00:05:36,659 --> 00:05:35,139 sunblock that's probably one of the 119 00:05:37,750 --> 00:05:36,669 worst I've heard here yeah that sort of 120 00:05:41,020 --> 00:05:37,760 thing really you gotta jump 121 00:05:43,150 --> 00:05:41,030 yeah but that's a lot of it's just just 122 00:05:45,610 --> 00:05:43,160 fun guys it's a lot of video i 123 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:45,620 particular care about that everybody's 124 00:05:49,390 --> 00:05:46,970 in total have their opinion and wasting 125 00:05:51,490 --> 00:05:49,400 money on things I'm actually impressed 126 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:51,500 with the town I live in now the Wellness 127 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:53,930 Center closed when the when the car 128 00:05:59,110 --> 00:05:55,370 impacted closes officer moved out of 129 00:06:01,450 --> 00:05:59,120 town oh there you go but when we used to 130 00:06:03,220 --> 00:06:01,460 walk up the street passed at my like dog 131 00:06:04,810 --> 00:06:03,230 Cody a religion hating dog he's always 132 00:06:06,550 --> 00:06:04,820 growls we walked past the Wellness 133 00:06:09,940 --> 00:06:06,560 Center and obviously since my mood 134 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:09,950 that's right well it doesn't look too 135 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:11,570 busy at the moment I mean there is 136 00:06:16,870 --> 00:06:13,610 people milling around where we haven't 137 00:06:19,300 --> 00:06:16,880 gone in yet we haven't yet gone down to 138 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:19,310 it reminds me of the article you wrote 139 00:06:23,260 --> 00:06:21,170 years ago when we went to see the 140 00:06:26,740 --> 00:06:23,270 Australian vaccination network Virgil 141 00:06:28,660 --> 00:06:26,750 and Virgil and what was it Virgil and 142 00:06:31,870 --> 00:06:28,670 Dante go down to hospital yes that's 143 00:06:33,970 --> 00:06:31,880 right when when you and I went and that 144 00:06:36,010 --> 00:06:33,980 was well over a decade ago when we are 145 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:36,020 in the audience for a Australian 146 00:06:41,620 --> 00:06:38,210 vaccination network talk would have been 147 00:06:43,300 --> 00:06:41,630 like 2003 easily what I liked about that 148 00:06:46,810 --> 00:06:43,310 but when I wrote the story up 149 00:06:49,420 --> 00:06:46,820 I mentioned that we went to the Catholic 150 00:06:50,590 --> 00:06:49,430 club rehearsal Catholic America and I 151 00:06:52,570 --> 00:06:50,600 was attacked for being a Catholic 152 00:06:54,190 --> 00:06:52,580 already and then people started ranting 153 00:06:55,660 --> 00:06:54,200 on about pedophiles in the Catholic 154 00:06:57,910 --> 00:06:55,670 Church and then people started listen 155 00:07:00,430 --> 00:06:57,920 hang on wait a minute wait it's a casino 156 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:00,440 but it's basically folks don't worry 157 00:07:03,550 --> 00:07:01,970 about the name it's basically it was a 158 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:03,560 club where we could get a beer wasn't it 159 00:07:07,990 --> 00:07:06,770 and decompress after this cuz it was 160 00:07:10,390 --> 00:07:08,000 across the road so we were there for a 161 00:07:12,070 --> 00:07:10,400 beer but I got all these attacks from 162 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:12,080 these bizarre people none of whom 163 00:07:15,370 --> 00:07:13,730 addressed the actual issue and that 164 00:07:17,830 --> 00:07:15,380 that's the the occasion where I was 165 00:07:21,220 --> 00:07:17,840 called later a Mouseketeer only evil I 166 00:07:23,830 --> 00:07:21,230 like pellet right anyway our little 167 00:07:26,590 --> 00:07:23,840 group is growing and I think it's time 168 00:07:30,460 --> 00:07:26,600 we take the plunge we're gonna let's 169 00:07:36,470 --> 00:07:30,470 delve let's descend into the pit of his 170 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:38,690 so we're passing all sorts of things 171 00:07:43,250 --> 00:07:40,530 here at the moment with medical 172 00:07:46,940 --> 00:07:43,260 intuitive people pretending to be 173 00:07:49,550 --> 00:07:46,950 doctors would you hire a plumbing 174 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:49,560 intuitive I wonder or a lawyer who said 175 00:07:57,050 --> 00:07:52,050 there were legal intuitive iridology on 176 00:07:58,600 --> 00:07:57,060 the other side fab Brown or someone 177 00:08:01,490 --> 00:07:58,610 doing eyebrows it's okay 178 00:08:07,450 --> 00:08:01,500 Florence King psychic I've encountered 179 00:08:15,620 --> 00:08:12,980 glad to get them so we've just I snuck 180 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:15,630 by quickly the organ effects store you 181 00:08:19,790 --> 00:08:17,610 had a closer look now these are the 182 00:08:22,100 --> 00:08:19,800 people who sell blocks of resin you plug 183 00:08:24,110 --> 00:08:22,110 into the wall and things that take away 184 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:24,120 naughty vibrations from your phone and 185 00:08:26,900 --> 00:08:24,810 all this other stuff 186 00:08:28,430 --> 00:08:26,910 well my phone definitely has naughty 187 00:08:31,250 --> 00:08:28,440 vibrations when it goes off in my pocket 188 00:08:33,350 --> 00:08:31,260 yeah well I did like was that actually 189 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:33,360 nothing called an inner bear in a bear 190 00:08:38,450 --> 00:08:37,110 in a nama our bear in a bear teddy bear 191 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:38,460 which protects you of all sorts of 192 00:08:41,450 --> 00:08:38,850 things 193 00:08:43,700 --> 00:08:41,460 oh so shortly the mayor's going to be 194 00:08:44,990 --> 00:08:43,710 giving a talk about the dreaded 5g 195 00:08:47,540 --> 00:08:45,000 radiation that's going to be coming you 196 00:08:48,650 --> 00:08:47,550 know really so I'm going to go along and 197 00:08:50,810 --> 00:08:48,660 listen to that because I got the feeling 198 00:08:52,370 --> 00:08:50,820 I'm going to be five Jude shortly yeah 199 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:52,380 we've just been fluoride at briar live 200 00:08:56,450 --> 00:08:54,570 so no but the next tip obviously is to 201 00:08:59,900 --> 00:08:56,460 mind-control free fire - things are 202 00:09:01,460 --> 00:08:59,910 looking up I don't think this 5g will go 203 00:09:02,660 --> 00:09:01,470 on for too much longer because it'll be 204 00:09:06,050 --> 00:09:02,670 rolled out and everybody will forget 205 00:09:09,170 --> 00:09:06,060 about it it's the way they also worry so 206 00:09:09,170 --> 00:09:09,180 much about forward rule yeah 207 00:09:14,220 --> 00:09:12,660 or even apartment now let's start a mind 208 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:14,230 body wallet this year Peter we have the 209 00:09:19,530 --> 00:09:17,250 home show which is twice the size and 210 00:09:21,329 --> 00:09:19,540 it's great I mean these things for your 211 00:09:24,470 --> 00:09:21,339 home right fridges and pools and 212 00:09:27,650 --> 00:09:24,480 furniture and cladding but in 213 00:09:31,079 --> 00:09:27,660 interspersed with bits of blue 214 00:09:31,769 --> 00:09:31,089 we just passed some tumeric wonder drug 215 00:09:35,910 --> 00:09:31,779 there 216 00:09:40,530 --> 00:09:35,920 what's this bio electronic medicine in 217 00:09:47,579 --> 00:09:40,540 the palm of your hand and so what are we 218 00:09:53,110 --> 00:09:51,189 and we've seen one or two chiropractors 219 00:09:54,490 --> 00:09:53,120 in this section we have yes I'm not 220 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:54,500 quite sure where they come here 221 00:09:57,850 --> 00:09:55,850 I also knows that there are several 222 00:09:58,900 --> 00:09:57,860 people here that we watches of like 223 00:10:01,300 --> 00:09:58,910 smart television we're very familiar 224 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:01,310 with these such as the clever range of 225 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:03,410 products at the band billow adjustable 226 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:07,370 mattress the leap into your show when 227 00:10:11,079 --> 00:10:08,569 you're watching something is record hood 228 00:10:14,379 --> 00:10:11,089 old late night infomercials they're well 229 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:14,389 represented here well I think it's time 230 00:10:18,129 --> 00:10:16,370 we wind up our little adventure here at 231 00:10:21,759 --> 00:10:18,139 the mind body wallet in the home show 232 00:10:25,809 --> 00:10:21,769 and let's pick up the action again in a 233 00:10:29,830 --> 00:10:25,819 moment where we will be in Chinatown at 234 00:10:39,140 --> 00:10:32,949 [Music] 235 00:10:43,790 --> 00:10:41,420 well that's a nice one we didn't make it 236 00:10:45,530 --> 00:10:43,800 to the Chinatown after all we've made it 237 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:45,540 halfway and got distracted by the pump 238 00:10:50,090 --> 00:10:47,250 house brewery well are we going to 239 00:10:52,010 --> 00:10:50,100 indulge in some nice ale and pub food 240 00:10:53,590 --> 00:10:52,020 well I'm having a sniffle I'm heavy 241 00:10:56,269 --> 00:10:53,600 Kosciusko 242 00:10:58,670 --> 00:10:56,279 seeing the tailor come from is one litre 243 00:11:01,250 --> 00:10:58,680 below half as high as the top mikaze us 244 00:11:02,540 --> 00:11:01,260 guarantee one metre what's that it's 245 00:11:05,269 --> 00:11:02,550 over on its eleven hundred and thirty 246 00:11:10,550 --> 00:11:05,279 three litres yeah I'm sorry 1113 motors 247 00:11:12,310 --> 00:11:10,560 Oh Kosciusko is twelve hundred a 2,228 248 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:12,320 so good for those international folks 249 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:15,330 Mount Kosciuszko is our highest mountain 250 00:11:20,450 --> 00:11:16,890 in Australia and it's not that really 251 00:11:22,490 --> 00:11:20,460 high it's interesting that on the 252 00:11:24,230 --> 00:11:22,500 highest point in oberon there's the 253 00:11:27,650 --> 00:11:24,240 survey marker which means that's the 254 00:11:30,470 --> 00:11:27,660 highest point the council had presumably 255 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:30,480 have built a 1 metre high pile of dirt 256 00:11:36,050 --> 00:11:33,210 next to it which if you stand at the top 257 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:36,060 of that it's exactly as high as a half 258 00:11:39,019 --> 00:11:37,770 high is the highest point in Australia 259 00:11:41,750 --> 00:11:39,029 it's cheating a little bit I think 260 00:11:43,820 --> 00:11:41,760 anyway so yeah my buddy wallet over for 261 00:11:46,579 --> 00:11:43,830 another half year does this every six 262 00:11:49,490 --> 00:11:46,589 months it was more or less the same old 263 00:11:53,540 --> 00:11:49,500 same old same old bad the Scientologists 264 00:11:54,980 --> 00:11:53,550 weren't there so it all just went the no 265 00:11:57,660 --> 00:11:54,990 I don't think I've ever seen alcohol 266 00:11:59,790 --> 00:11:57,670 there but Metatron 267 00:12:02,850 --> 00:11:59,800 health device wasn't there but similar 268 00:12:04,650 --> 00:12:02,860 devices within the domain who used the 269 00:12:06,390 --> 00:12:04,660 computer to detect your allergies and 270 00:12:08,850 --> 00:12:06,400 then searching a cure yeah he wasn't 271 00:12:12,180 --> 00:12:08,860 there yes he wasn't there 272 00:12:14,820 --> 00:12:12,190 yes you're right but there was a sort of 273 00:12:17,940 --> 00:12:14,830 a fresh batch of just general communal 274 00:12:19,950 --> 00:12:17,950 garden psychics there oh I did miss the 275 00:12:21,780 --> 00:12:19,960 happy hi herb man yes he wasn't there 276 00:12:23,570 --> 00:12:21,790 because that was just enormous funder 277 00:12:26,550 --> 00:12:23,580 talk to someone wearing an enormous 278 00:12:27,750 --> 00:12:26,560 multicolored Mad Hatter's hat yes while 279 00:12:29,940 --> 00:12:27,760 trying to tell you he wasn't really 280 00:12:31,650 --> 00:12:29,950 selling you any any illegal drugs they 281 00:12:33,630 --> 00:12:31,660 were just something worked the same way 282 00:12:34,890 --> 00:12:33,640 yeah but he was probably wiped out by 283 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:34,900 the two people they're selling medicinal 284 00:12:40,290 --> 00:12:37,930 and a cannabis and well yes I saw I did 285 00:12:44,470 --> 00:12:40,300 see that I bought I bought some soap 286 00:12:48,260 --> 00:12:44,480 I bought some nice scented fragrant soap 287 00:12:53,210 --> 00:12:48,270 lemony so very fragrant lemon soap and 288 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:53,220 coffee a scented there's always some 289 00:12:57,470 --> 00:12:55,890 good things to bother there there's 290 00:12:58,700 --> 00:12:57,480 interesting things one thing that hasn't 291 00:13:01,010 --> 00:12:58,710 been there for a long time is the 292 00:13:03,170 --> 00:13:01,020 clothing people right they're very 293 00:13:05,269 --> 00:13:03,180 colorful koubek yes yes they used to 294 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:05,279 come down from off the north post on it 295 00:13:09,050 --> 00:13:07,050 and they had all these wonderful stuff 296 00:13:10,730 --> 00:13:09,060 made of bamboo fiber and so forth and it 297 00:13:12,860 --> 00:13:10,740 was really nice clothes look good and 298 00:13:15,380 --> 00:13:12,870 reasonably priced I think they probably 299 00:13:16,820 --> 00:13:15,390 pushed out that they came down all the 300 00:13:18,829 --> 00:13:16,830 way spent four days in Sydney with 301 00:13:21,170 --> 00:13:18,839 accommodation and in fact they just 302 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:21,180 weren't selling enough stuff and I will 303 00:13:27,829 --> 00:13:24,450 say that at one point a friend of Alice 304 00:13:31,010 --> 00:13:27,839 who for the sake of privacy will remain 305 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:31,020 nameless the doorman came to join us and 306 00:13:37,610 --> 00:13:33,450 she has a very new bob about five months 307 00:13:40,220 --> 00:13:37,620 old and she determined that it wasn't 308 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:40,230 the best place to be because of the 309 00:13:44,329 --> 00:13:42,210 likelihood of the high number of 310 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:44,339 unvaccinated people wandering around I 311 00:13:49,820 --> 00:13:47,930 think that if you look at the sort of 312 00:13:50,900 --> 00:13:49,830 clientele the people who go to or 313 00:13:53,780 --> 00:13:50,910 something like a mind-body-spirit 314 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:53,790 festival I would be reasonable I'd make 315 00:13:56,510 --> 00:13:55,170 a room or bet but there'd be an overlap 316 00:13:58,880 --> 00:13:56,520 with the anti-vaccination people as well 317 00:14:00,410 --> 00:13:58,890 undoubtedly they think they're gonna 318 00:14:01,970 --> 00:14:00,420 believe that they can have their chakras 319 00:14:03,140 --> 00:14:01,980 aligned by crystals yeah they're 320 00:14:05,780 --> 00:14:03,150 probably going to believe that they can 321 00:14:07,940 --> 00:14:05,790 have cured as well and bad at that no 322 00:14:10,070 --> 00:14:07,950 don't worry about disease yeah yeah yeah 323 00:14:11,420 --> 00:14:10,080 all right but again I mean it was much 324 00:14:13,370 --> 00:14:11,430 of the same other thing we've seen for 325 00:14:15,530 --> 00:14:13,380 year after year after year a few new 326 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:15,540 things things come and go it's 327 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:18,450 interesting to think about it changing 328 00:14:25,730 --> 00:14:22,650 after all these years there are some 329 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:25,740 astrology wasn't big no more terror than 330 00:14:29,780 --> 00:14:27,810 astronomy I don't think I saw this wrong 331 00:14:31,330 --> 00:14:29,790 and certainly terror over a couple of 332 00:14:34,610 --> 00:14:31,340 hours 333 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:34,620 but and also there's obviously the big 334 00:14:39,710 --> 00:14:36,930 room full of psychics reading all sorts 335 00:14:41,150 --> 00:14:39,720 of different ways so the penance the den 336 00:14:43,010 --> 00:14:41,160 the den of psychics the den of 337 00:14:45,500 --> 00:14:43,020 scientists that was still there that $50 338 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:45,510 a reading I'm thinking of book myself a 339 00:14:57,410 --> 00:14:49,410 stand next year our friend Lara join us 340 00:14:59,030 --> 00:14:57,420 in oh she bought sick anyway so I've 341 00:15:00,980 --> 00:14:59,040 noticed that the first time we came it 342 00:15:05,830 --> 00:15:00,990 took us all died now we wander through 343 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:05,840 the place in about two hours oh well 344 00:15:15,290 --> 00:15:10,890 we're about to enjoy our oh yes yes Lara 345 00:15:16,970 --> 00:15:15,300 you felt something all gone energy you 346 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:16,980 know you sell the things which claim to 347 00:15:20,660 --> 00:15:18,690 get rid of harmful electromagnetic 348 00:15:22,490 --> 00:15:20,670 radiations and this that the other so 349 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:22,500 obviously they jump on every time 350 00:15:27,620 --> 00:15:24,210 there's something new that I think they 351 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:27,630 can cling to so today they had little 352 00:15:32,180 --> 00:15:29,850 tiny things that you could buy to stick 353 00:15:35,180 --> 00:15:32,190 on your smartwatches on the back of them 354 00:15:36,470 --> 00:15:35,190 to protect your wrists from and I assume 355 00:15:37,730 --> 00:15:36,480 the rest of your body but to protect 356 00:15:39,530 --> 00:15:37,740 your wrists and your body from any 357 00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:39,540 harmful electromagnetic waves that are 358 00:15:48,650 --> 00:15:43,440 coming from those device yeah oh yeah 359 00:15:49,850 --> 00:15:48,660 yeah all of those smartwatches I don't 360 00:15:52,220 --> 00:15:49,860 think that they are actually even 361 00:15:54,590 --> 00:15:52,230 emitting any form of harmful 362 00:15:56,450 --> 00:15:54,600 electromagnetic radiations my watch 363 00:15:58,250 --> 00:15:56,460 protectors that's a new one that's a new 364 00:16:00,140 --> 00:15:58,260 one on me there you go yeah yeah the man 365 00:16:01,610 --> 00:16:00,150 who was selling those was also going to 366 00:16:03,650 --> 00:16:01,620 give a talk about the dangers of 5g 367 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:03,660 radiation yeah from the phones as well 368 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:05,490 so but humor me back next year with even 369 00:16:10,610 --> 00:16:07,170 bigger even stronger things to protect 370 00:16:13,700 --> 00:16:10,620 you the u 5g phones hi folks 371 00:16:16,670 --> 00:16:13,710 as I've said year after year after year 372 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:16,680 and people ask me why I keep going to 373 00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:18,810 these things and why other people keep 374 00:16:23,210 --> 00:16:21,360 going well it's to keep up to date with 375 00:16:26,500 --> 00:16:23,220 what's going on it so we know what we're 376 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:26,510 talking about it's to see what 377 00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:28,250 keep products and being sold to the 378 00:16:33,210 --> 00:16:30,560 general public and to see if we can then 379 00:16:36,610 --> 00:16:33,220 take any action against them so yes 380 00:16:38,860 --> 00:16:36,620 visiting a spirit fair is worthwhile 381 00:16:40,570 --> 00:16:38,870 especially when there's especially when 382 00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:40,580 there's health implications 383 00:16:53,699 --> 00:16:51,600 allora ciao mi chiamo profesora de vo 384 00:16:57,060 --> 00:16:53,709 tuvalu incendiary - teleca's sulla 385 00:17:01,199 --> 00:16:57,070 shines para la moda physica de chemica 386 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:01,209 Volodya astronomia Mathematica atonte 387 00:17:05,610 --> 00:17:04,329 ultra cosy guarda me Zulu tuba 388 00:17:07,470 --> 00:17:05,620 arrivederci 389 00:17:09,150 --> 00:17:07,480 hey everyone this is Professor Dave I 390 00:17:10,890 --> 00:17:09,160 want to teach you about all kinds of 391 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:10,900 things regarding science I want to tell 392 00:17:16,260 --> 00:17:12,850 you about physics I want to tell you 393 00:17:18,990 --> 00:17:16,270 about chemistry biology astronomy math 394 00:17:20,669 --> 00:17:19,000 and many many more things come check me 395 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:20,679 out on youtube the channel is called 396 00:17:45,659 --> 00:17:42,600 [Music] 397 00:17:47,130 --> 00:17:45,669 now on last week's show we had a report 398 00:17:50,340 --> 00:17:47,140 from Susan Kovac from guerrilla 399 00:17:52,190 --> 00:17:50,350 skepticism on Wikipedia and she was 400 00:17:54,389 --> 00:17:52,200 telling us of some of the recent 401 00:17:57,539 --> 00:17:54,399 activities some of the recent work being 402 00:17:59,340 --> 00:17:57,549 done by her editors including working on 403 00:18:01,769 --> 00:17:59,350 the page of a naturopath well that 404 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:01,779 naturopath happened to be Barbra O'Neill 405 00:18:07,380 --> 00:18:04,450 who were reported there some weeks ago 406 00:18:09,649 --> 00:18:07,390 has been banned here in Australia for 407 00:18:13,380 --> 00:18:09,659 providing health care services and 408 00:18:16,169 --> 00:18:13,390 Susan's very kind she's thanking Mandy 409 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:16,179 lee noble April hoy and others for 410 00:18:23,159 --> 00:18:19,570 helping get the wiki pedia page together 411 00:18:26,730 --> 00:18:23,169 and she gives us special thanks to dr. 412 00:18:28,980 --> 00:18:26,740 Harriet hall the Skip doc and of course 413 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:28,990 as longtime skeptic zone listeners know 414 00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:31,690 we regularly run promotions for the 415 00:18:37,830 --> 00:18:35,200 video series by dr. Harriet hall and if 416 00:18:39,629 --> 00:18:37,840 you haven't seen those now the thing 417 00:18:42,269 --> 00:18:39,639 that I'll do a special link in this 418 00:18:44,250 --> 00:18:42,279 week's show notes it's really worth your 419 00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:44,260 time to watch those it gives you a great 420 00:18:49,379 --> 00:18:46,960 background and understanding into things 421 00:18:52,049 --> 00:18:49,389 like chiropractic homeopathy energy 422 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:52,059 medicine and so on anyway I was very 423 00:18:58,620 --> 00:18:54,370 interested to find out exactly why 424 00:19:00,990 --> 00:18:58,630 Barbara O'Neill was a banned from 425 00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:01,000 operating or offering health services 426 00:19:06,990 --> 00:19:04,000 here in Australia and the wikipedia page 427 00:19:08,269 --> 00:19:07,000 put together is comprehensive it says in 428 00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:08,279 part 429 00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:10,480 Barbara O'Neill is an Australian 430 00:19:16,409 --> 00:19:13,120 naturopath and lecturer on health issues 431 00:19:18,659 --> 00:19:16,419 who in 2019 was banned for life by the 432 00:19:21,149 --> 00:19:18,669 New South Wales health care Complaints 433 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:21,159 Commission H Triple C from providing 434 00:19:26,549 --> 00:19:24,490 free or paid health services the band 435 00:19:28,289 --> 00:19:26,559 followed an H Triple C investigation 436 00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:28,299 which found she lacked any 437 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:30,880 health-related qualifications a degree 438 00:19:37,139 --> 00:19:33,850 diploma or membership in an accredited 439 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:37,149 health organisation it also found that 440 00:19:42,090 --> 00:19:40,210 she provided dangerous unsupported 441 00:19:44,909 --> 00:19:42,100 health advice to vulnerable groups 442 00:19:47,730 --> 00:19:44,919 this included advising parents to feed 443 00:19:50,250 --> 00:19:47,740 their infants raw goat milk or almond 444 00:19:53,220 --> 00:19:50,260 milk blended with dates or banana 445 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:53,230 instead of formula and recommending that 446 00:20:00,050 --> 00:19:55,650 cancer patients for go Kim 447 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:00,060 therapy in favor of baking soda reps and 448 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:03,450 dietary changes it goes on to say she 449 00:20:07,580 --> 00:20:05,130 ran the misty mountain health retreat 450 00:20:11,690 --> 00:20:07,590 near Kempsey New South Wales with her 451 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:11,700 husband charging clients up to $3,100 452 00:20:17,650 --> 00:20:13,970 per week for treatments and health 453 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:17,660 retreats she also provided for fee 454 00:20:24,110 --> 00:20:20,610 telephone consultations according to 455 00:20:26,060 --> 00:20:24,120 O'Neill's website she provided detox 456 00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:26,070 services claiming to aid in recovery 457 00:20:31,910 --> 00:20:28,710 from heart disease diabetes hormonal 458 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:31,920 imbalance chronic fatigue can Deena 459 00:20:37,490 --> 00:20:34,290 funguses drug addiction cancer heart 460 00:20:39,710 --> 00:20:37,500 burn and obesity according to the H 461 00:20:42,050 --> 00:20:39,720 Triple C investigation O'Neill falsely 462 00:20:45,370 --> 00:20:42,060 claimed to be able to cure cancer and 463 00:20:48,650 --> 00:20:45,380 urged patients not to use chemotherapy 464 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:48,660 Anil promoted the discredited claim that 465 00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:52,290 cancer is a fungus she urged her clients 466 00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,240 to treat their cancer with baking soda 467 00:20:59,930 --> 00:20:56,640 wraps and claimed without evidence that 468 00:21:03,580 --> 00:20:59,940 one doctor had cured 90% of his patients 469 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:03,590 cancer with baking soda injections 470 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:07,050 anti-vaccination views a neo discouraged 471 00:21:11,780 --> 00:21:09,090 immunization claiming that vaccinations 472 00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:11,790 are unnecessary in one of her YouTube 473 00:21:16,670 --> 00:21:14,640 videos she stated that quote children 474 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:16,680 can be naturally vaccinated against 475 00:21:21,740 --> 00:21:18,890 tetanus by drinking plenty of water 476 00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:21,750 going to bed early not eating junk food 477 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:24,240 and running around the hills and quote 478 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:26,490 she further claimed without evidence 479 00:21:31,550 --> 00:21:29,370 that quote neurotoxins in vaccines have 480 00:21:34,270 --> 00:21:31,560 caused an epidemic of ADHD autism 481 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:34,280 epilepsy and cot death end quote 482 00:21:39,790 --> 00:21:37,050 Anil has campaigned against the 483 00:21:44,180 --> 00:21:39,800 Australian no jab and no pay Pro 484 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:44,190 immunization initiative dietary advice 485 00:21:49,730 --> 00:21:47,370 on infants O'Neal has recommended that 486 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:49,740 parents who are unable to breastfeed 487 00:21:54,910 --> 00:21:52,650 their infant use substitutes besides 488 00:21:57,860 --> 00:21:54,920 formula these have an included 489 00:22:00,100 --> 00:21:57,870 unpasteurized goat milk and a mix of 490 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:00,110 almond milk and dates or banana 491 00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:02,850 co-author of the National Health and 492 00:22:07,580 --> 00:22:05,280 Medical Research Council's Australian 493 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:07,590 infant feeding guidelines professor Jane 494 00:22:12,409 --> 00:22:09,450 Scott has stated this advice 495 00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,419 is quote definitely not safe unquote and 496 00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:15,120 that quote there is a real danger here 497 00:22:20,389 --> 00:22:18,240 for infants as these will not support 498 00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:20,399 healthy growth and development unquote 499 00:22:27,649 --> 00:22:24,480 there's much more on this page including 500 00:22:30,379 --> 00:22:27,659 the H Triple C also found that O'Neal 501 00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:30,389 cannot recognize and provide health 502 00:22:35,570 --> 00:22:32,820 advice within the limits of her training 503 00:22:37,310 --> 00:22:35,580 and experience and had not maintained 504 00:22:39,740 --> 00:22:37,320 records of the advice that she had 505 00:22:41,629 --> 00:22:39,750 provided to clients while O'Neal has 506 00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:41,639 claimed to have received diplomas in 507 00:22:47,779 --> 00:22:45,000 naturopathy Nutrition and Dietetics from 508 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:47,789 two now-defunct organizations the H 509 00:22:54,289 --> 00:22:51,090 Triple C found that she did not have any 510 00:22:58,610 --> 00:22:54,299 health related degree or diploma on 511 00:23:01,129 --> 00:22:58,620 September 24 2019 the H Triple C banned 512 00:23:03,049 --> 00:23:01,139 O'Neal for life from providing health 513 00:23:05,419 --> 00:23:03,059 services regardless of whether or not 514 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:05,429 she accepted payment for doing so and 515 00:23:10,129 --> 00:23:07,769 Age Triple C spokesperson said that 516 00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:10,139 O'Neal's activities were being monitored 517 00:23:15,409 --> 00:23:13,110 closely and the prohibition order 518 00:23:17,539 --> 00:23:15,419 applies in the Australian states of New 519 00:23:20,389 --> 00:23:17,549 South Wales Victoria Queensland and 520 00:23:23,180 --> 00:23:20,399 South Australia he also stated quote in 521 00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:23,190 general if the material is accessible in 522 00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,820 those jurisdictions online then it is 523 00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:28,799 considered to be delivering health 524 00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,110 service in quote and that quote 525 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:33,600 presenting health education in any form 526 00:23:38,769 --> 00:23:36,330 or delivering health services would be a 527 00:23:41,299 --> 00:23:38,779 breach of her prohibition order unquote 528 00:23:43,490 --> 00:23:41,309 violating the ban could be punished with 529 00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:43,500 a prison sentence of up to six months 530 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:46,320 although of course it seems she has her 531 00:23:51,950 --> 00:23:48,690 army of supporters because it says here 532 00:23:54,649 --> 00:23:51,960 following the decision a petition was 533 00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:54,659 circulated calling for the H Triple C to 534 00:24:01,610 --> 00:23:58,080 reverse its decision as of October 2019 535 00:24:04,220 --> 00:24:01,620 the petition had gained 36,000 536 00:24:05,899 --> 00:24:04,230 signatures although she has been banned 537 00:24:08,269 --> 00:24:05,909 from providing health advice in 538 00:24:11,620 --> 00:24:08,279 Australia O'Neill's website states that 539 00:24:15,639 --> 00:24:11,630 quote Barbara O'Neill author educator 540 00:24:18,379 --> 00:24:15,649 naturopath and nutritionist retired is 541 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:18,389 available for public speaking to 542 00:24:23,130 --> 00:24:21,049 companies community groups or churches 543 00:24:25,230 --> 00:24:23,140 outside of Australia 544 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:25,240 and is sure to please those looking for 545 00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:27,730 motivation to live a longer healthier 546 00:24:32,190 --> 00:24:30,370 and happier life in quote the month 547 00:24:34,140 --> 00:24:32,200 following the H triple C's decision 548 00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:34,150 O'Neil was scheduled to conduct a 549 00:24:39,150 --> 00:24:37,120 wellness program in the United States at 550 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:39,160 a cost of two thousand three hundred and 551 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:42,250 fifty dollars per person in late 2019 552 00:24:47,010 --> 00:24:44,890 O'Neal and her husband's misty mountain 553 00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:47,020 health retreat came under investigation 554 00:24:54,270 --> 00:24:51,310 by the a CMC for alleged breaches to 555 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:54,280 charity law under it's health promotion 556 00:25:00,030 --> 00:24:56,650 charity status the retreat had received 557 00:25:03,180 --> 00:25:00,040 government grants and various tax 558 00:25:06,060 --> 00:25:03,190 concessions in defending its status the 559 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:06,070 retreat had claimed it had provided diet 560 00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:08,770 exercise and health advice to Indigenous 561 00:25:19,260 --> 00:25:11,440 Australians and people with chronic and 562 00:25:22,620 --> 00:25:19,270 terminal illnesses so there is just a 563 00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:22,630 sampling of the work being done at the 564 00:25:27,930 --> 00:25:24,880 moment by the guerrilla skepticism on 565 00:25:30,150 --> 00:25:27,940 Wikipedia and it's quite impressive that 566 00:25:33,180 --> 00:25:30,160 they put all this information together 567 00:25:36,990 --> 00:25:33,190 in one place on Wikipedia and now I know 568 00:25:39,690 --> 00:25:37,000 and you know the reasons why the reasons 569 00:25:42,450 --> 00:25:39,700 behind the decision of the H Triple C to 570 00:25:43,020 --> 00:25:42,460 ban barber o Neill from providing health 571 00:25:53,340 --> 00:25:43,030 advice 572 00:25:58,830 --> 00:25:56,890 hi this is Heidi Robertson from the 573 00:26:01,710 --> 00:25:58,840 Northern Rivers vaccination supporters 574 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:01,720 we are a group of concerned citizens 575 00:26:06,910 --> 00:26:04,250 dedicated to promoting good science and 576 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:06,920 common sense in our region the far north 577 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:10,010 coast of New South Wales this area of 578 00:26:14,770 --> 00:26:11,570 famous for its natural beauty and 579 00:26:18,370 --> 00:26:14,780 relaxed lifestyle also has the lowest 580 00:26:19,690 --> 00:26:18,380 rates of vaccination in Australia we are 581 00:26:20,980 --> 00:26:19,700 out to change that 582 00:26:23,740 --> 00:26:20,990 by challenging the myths and 583 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:23,750 misinformation and by providing good 584 00:26:28,780 --> 00:26:25,910 evidence-based information to the 585 00:26:31,210 --> 00:26:28,790 community we'd love for you no matter 586 00:26:36,060 --> 00:26:31,220 where you are in the world to join our 587 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:36,070 fight please visit our webpage at 588 00:26:42,850 --> 00:26:41,450 wwlp.com folk we also have a link there 589 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:42,860 to our Facebook page 590 00:26:49,390 --> 00:26:46,730 tweet us at in our FAQs supporters 591 00:26:51,940 --> 00:26:49,400 that's va ex and check us out on 592 00:26:55,180 --> 00:26:51,950 Wikipedia by searching for Northern 593 00:27:10,399 --> 00:26:55,190 Rivers vaccination supporters thank you 594 00:27:12,629 --> 00:27:10,409 [Music] 595 00:27:14,490 --> 00:27:12,639 hi I'm Tim Mendham 596 00:27:17,539 --> 00:27:14,500 executive officer Australian skeptics 597 00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:17,549 and editor of our magazine the skeptic 598 00:27:22,649 --> 00:27:20,340 the article I'm reading today is called 599 00:27:26,639 --> 00:27:22,659 fighting words and it comes out of the 600 00:27:33,810 --> 00:27:26,649 sceptic from June 2019 which is volume 601 00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:33,820 at 39 number 2 you're looking at freedom 602 00:27:37,529 --> 00:27:35,710 of speech and freedom of speech it's an 603 00:27:39,690 --> 00:27:37,539 issue which is often raised by 604 00:27:42,180 --> 00:27:39,700 proponents of alternative medicine 605 00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:42,190 survey the anti-vaxxers and a lot of 606 00:27:46,379 --> 00:27:44,110 other people who want to believe they 607 00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:46,389 can express anything they like and not 608 00:27:50,730 --> 00:27:48,840 be criticized or stopped from doing it 609 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:50,740 the freedom of speech or the long 610 00:27:57,450 --> 00:27:52,210 history and that's what we'll look at 611 00:28:00,419 --> 00:27:57,460 today everyone knows the famous 612 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:00,429 statement on free speech by the 18th 613 00:28:05,789 --> 00:28:03,490 century French philosopher Voltaire that 614 00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:05,799 statement is I disapprove of what you 615 00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:08,049 say that I will defend to the death your 616 00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:12,399 right to say it a Knopf cited quote that 617 00:28:17,249 --> 00:28:14,830 is used to justify the liberalisation of 618 00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:17,259 expression and a view that is typical of 619 00:28:23,009 --> 00:28:20,529 enlightenment thinking only like a lot 620 00:28:25,619 --> 00:28:23,019 of our understanding of free speech it's 621 00:28:29,159 --> 00:28:25,629 wrong the statement was actually written 622 00:28:33,180 --> 00:28:29,169 by Evelyn Beatrice Hall aka FGM talent 623 00:28:35,060 --> 00:28:33,190 eyne in 1906 she coined the sentence in 624 00:28:37,499 --> 00:28:35,070 a book called the Friends of Voltaire an 625 00:28:39,690 --> 00:28:37,509 anecdotal biography telling the stories 626 00:28:42,419 --> 00:28:39,700 of ten men who were contemporaries and 627 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:42,429 Friends of the philosopher sentence 628 00:28:47,639 --> 00:28:44,250 appeared in the chapter entitled 629 00:28:50,399 --> 00:28:47,649 helvetius the contradiction about Claude 630 00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:50,409 Adrien helvetius author of a book called 631 00:28:55,499 --> 00:28:53,440 on mind or de l'esprit if you want to be 632 00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,509 Frenchman and was supposed to indicate 633 00:29:00,240 --> 00:28:58,000 the sort of approach Voltaire may have 634 00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:00,250 had but not what he actually ever said 635 00:29:04,499 --> 00:29:02,350 so anyone who quotes it and says as 636 00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:04,509 Voltaire is wrong you can tell them that 637 00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:06,399 you can tell them to skeptics told you 638 00:29:10,649 --> 00:29:09,190 like the famous love and peace prose 639 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:10,659 poem desired errata 640 00:29:15,649 --> 00:29:13,570 go placidly amid the noise and haste etc 641 00:29:18,930 --> 00:29:15,659 so interested that first appeared in the 642 00:29:20,190 --> 00:29:18,940 1920s but achieved fame in the 1960s and 643 00:29:22,229 --> 00:29:20,200 70s 644 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:22,239 when it was proposed by some to be a 645 00:29:27,869 --> 00:29:25,330 document for the 17th century like that 646 00:29:30,659 --> 00:29:27,879 the Voltaire quote has the imprimatur of 647 00:29:32,970 --> 00:29:30,669 a history that it does not deserve and 648 00:29:34,609 --> 00:29:32,980 like to see it a writer reality is a lot 649 00:29:39,060 --> 00:29:34,619 more complicated than that 650 00:29:41,849 --> 00:29:39,070 as is the notion of free speech the 651 00:29:45,239 --> 00:29:41,859 oxford dictionary defines free speech as 652 00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:45,249 the right to express any opinion without 653 00:29:50,849 --> 00:29:48,399 censorship or restraint the Australian 654 00:29:52,889 --> 00:29:50,859 Macquarie dictionary is the less 655 00:29:55,710 --> 00:29:52,899 absolute than that the right to express 656 00:29:58,289 --> 00:29:55,720 oneself and impart one's opinion in 657 00:30:00,899 --> 00:29:58,299 speech or writing or any form of public 658 00:30:02,820 --> 00:30:00,909 media of course dictionaries don't 659 00:30:04,739 --> 00:30:02,830 always live in the real world and it 660 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:04,749 will be unlikely that any society would 661 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:07,090 give free rein to any and every 662 00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:09,330 statement by any and every member 663 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:12,129 regardless of content intent or impact 664 00:30:17,879 --> 00:30:15,450 free speech comes at a cost 665 00:30:19,710 --> 00:30:17,889 older civilizations have often taken a 666 00:30:22,409 --> 00:30:19,720 simplistic view of human rights and free 667 00:30:24,419 --> 00:30:22,419 speech basically don't rubbish the ruler 668 00:30:26,940 --> 00:30:24,429 and you'll be okay according to the new 669 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:26,950 internationalist China did not develop 670 00:30:30,869 --> 00:30:28,809 an idea of rights that were inherent and 671 00:30:31,739 --> 00:30:30,879 natural to the individual as had arisen 672 00:30:34,739 --> 00:30:31,749 in Western Europe 673 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:34,749 however the ideally organised confusion 674 00:30:39,989 --> 00:30:36,970 society was supposed to provide social 675 00:30:42,210 --> 00:30:39,999 welfare and just treatment people were 676 00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:42,220 expected to know their place the 677 00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:43,929 powerful were expected to behave with 678 00:30:49,289 --> 00:30:46,480 benevolence and found you to do so could 679 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:49,299 result in forfeiture of power on the 680 00:30:54,509 --> 00:30:52,690 other side of the world Republican Rome 681 00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,519 was witness to several cases where 682 00:30:59,070 --> 00:30:56,559 political speech was suppressed by 683 00:31:00,749 --> 00:30:59,080 violence the most infamous case was the 684 00:31:04,940 --> 00:31:00,759 murder of the reformer Tiberius Gracchus 685 00:31:07,259 --> 00:31:04,950 in 133 BCE other leaders of the Senate 686 00:31:09,989 --> 00:31:07,269 however the killing was not done legally 687 00:31:13,379 --> 00:31:09,999 or by the Roman state it was essentially 688 00:31:15,810 --> 00:31:13,389 aristocratic mob violence the Republican 689 00:31:18,479 --> 00:31:15,820 state never created the legal tools to 690 00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,489 formally censor political speech this 691 00:31:22,169 --> 00:31:20,559 changed with the arrival in Rome of the 692 00:31:26,669 --> 00:31:22,179 Empress beginning with Caesar Augustus 693 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:26,679 in 27 BCE when supreme power is invested 694 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:28,690 in a single person they tend to be more 695 00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:30,730 sensitive to criticism from their 696 00:31:34,060 --> 00:31:33,369 subjects libel and by which we mean 697 00:31:36,190 --> 00:31:34,070 libel again 698 00:31:38,860 --> 00:31:36,200 the Emperor or his government was 699 00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:38,870 prosecuted as treason under Augustus and 700 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:41,840 by all following Emperor's book burning 701 00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:45,050 or people burning was part of the course 702 00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:47,350 and continued well into the Middle Ages 703 00:31:52,690 --> 00:31:50,480 for instance as the Menace of printing 704 00:31:55,570 --> 00:31:52,700 spread more governments attempted to 705 00:31:58,150 --> 00:31:55,580 centralize control the French crown 706 00:32:00,250 --> 00:31:58,160 repressed printing and the printer 707 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:00,260 Etienne de l'Est was burned at the stake 708 00:32:06,130 --> 00:32:04,490 in 1546 a few years earlier the first 709 00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,140 edition of the Catholic churches in 710 00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:08,960 Bexley Brougham prohibit album which is 711 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:11,030 the list of prohibited books that 712 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:13,250 appeared 9 Rome but in Catholic 713 00:32:19,330 --> 00:32:16,130 Netherlands in 1529 Venice in 1543 in 714 00:32:20,830 --> 00:32:19,340 Paris in 1551 the church continued to 715 00:32:24,970 --> 00:32:20,840 publish the list until it was 716 00:32:27,340 --> 00:32:24,980 discontinued in 1966 at the peak of its 717 00:32:29,530 --> 00:32:27,350 Empire Venice had rules that punished 718 00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:29,540 anyone who criticized not the government 719 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:31,360 but the city-state itself 720 00:32:37,030 --> 00:32:34,370 such was the pride the citizens showed 721 00:32:38,590 --> 00:32:37,040 towards La Serenissima no doubt 722 00:32:41,620 --> 00:32:38,600 amplified by the city's rather tenuous 723 00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,630 hold on existence both geopolitically 724 00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,000 and geologically foreigners who maligned 725 00:32:50,290 --> 00:32:46,880 the state were exiled locals were 726 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:50,300 imprisoned if not murdered while free 727 00:32:54,460 --> 00:32:52,010 speech against the Venetian state was 728 00:32:57,610 --> 00:32:54,470 outlawed free speech against individuals 729 00:33:01,000 --> 00:32:57,620 for the public was not gossip innuendo 730 00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:01,010 and scheming were a currency in Venice 731 00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:04,070 the term imbroglio refers to a part of 732 00:33:08,110 --> 00:33:06,950 the Piazza offset mark square their 733 00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,120 people gathered to elect their leaders 734 00:33:13,540 --> 00:33:10,640 and where they could share the latest 735 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:13,550 dirty laundry if they weren't gossiping 736 00:33:18,790 --> 00:33:15,410 they were accusing others of crimes 737 00:33:21,130 --> 00:33:18,800 by dropping notes into the Boche a Leone 738 00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:21,140 in which was sort of post boxes that 739 00:33:25,630 --> 00:33:22,640 were scattered around the city with a 740 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:25,640 slot in the mouth of a lion for the 741 00:33:30,910 --> 00:33:28,370 accusatory notes in the 19th century 742 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:30,920 they began a more nuanced approach to 743 00:33:35,620 --> 00:33:32,810 free speech and the responsibilities 744 00:33:37,180 --> 00:33:35,630 that that entailed the concept extended 745 00:33:39,970 --> 00:33:37,190 beyond criticism of the powers that be 746 00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:39,980 the monarch government or church to 747 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:41,600 statements that impact on the broader 748 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:44,570 community one of the most influential 749 00:33:47,850 --> 00:33:46,250 figures on personal liberties was the 750 00:33:50,910 --> 00:33:47,860 English philosopher John Stuart 751 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:50,920 Mill his book on Liberty which came out 752 00:33:56,030 --> 00:33:54,130 1859 addresses the nature and limits of 753 00:33:59,150 --> 00:33:56,040 the power that can be legitimately 754 00:34:02,430 --> 00:33:59,160 exercised by society over the individual 755 00:34:04,380 --> 00:34:02,440 his conception of Liberty justified the 756 00:34:06,990 --> 00:34:04,390 freedom of the individual in opposition 757 00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:07,000 to unlimited state and social control 758 00:34:11,010 --> 00:34:09,369 not to say he always felt that way his 759 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:11,020 concern for Liberty did not extend to 760 00:34:15,930 --> 00:34:12,970 all individuals and all societies 761 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:15,940 he stated that despotism is a legitimate 762 00:34:20,820 --> 00:34:17,770 mode of government in dealing with 763 00:34:23,010 --> 00:34:20,830 barbarians nonetheless for the non 764 00:34:25,740 --> 00:34:23,020 barbarians mill opened up a landscape of 765 00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:25,750 liberties of expression there also 766 00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:28,480 exists the fullest Liberty of professing 767 00:34:33,419 --> 00:34:30,609 and discussing as a matter of ethical 768 00:34:36,450 --> 00:34:33,429 conviction any doctrine however immoral 769 00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:36,460 it may be considered he added if all 770 00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:39,730 mankind - one were of one opinion and 771 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:42,250 only one person or of the contrary 772 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:44,649 opinion mankind will be no more 773 00:34:49,590 --> 00:34:46,810 justified in silencing that one person 774 00:34:53,220 --> 00:34:49,600 than he if he had the power will be 775 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:53,230 justified in silencing mankind he's 776 00:34:57,210 --> 00:34:55,090 talking about absolute freedom of 777 00:34:59,609 --> 00:34:57,220 opinion and sentiment on all subjects 778 00:35:02,250 --> 00:34:59,619 practical or speculative scientific 779 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:02,260 moral or theological if Liberty of 780 00:35:06,750 --> 00:35:04,690 expression is stifled he says the price 781 00:35:07,859 --> 00:35:06,760 paid is a sort of intellectual 782 00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:07,869 pacification 783 00:35:14,340 --> 00:35:10,660 that sacrifices the entire moral courage 784 00:35:16,410 --> 00:35:14,350 of the human mind but he then raises an 785 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:16,420 issue which is resounded through 786 00:35:21,210 --> 00:35:18,730 philosophical and practical debate on 787 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:21,220 freedom of speech ever since and that's 788 00:35:27,690 --> 00:35:25,570 called the harm principle Mills suggests 789 00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:27,700 that we need some rules of conduct to 790 00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:29,710 regulate the actions of members of a 791 00:35:35,130 --> 00:35:32,710 political community the limitation he 792 00:35:38,070 --> 00:35:35,140 places on free expression is one very 793 00:35:40,349 --> 00:35:38,080 simple principle which states that the 794 00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:40,359 only purpose for which power can be 795 00:35:45,330 --> 00:35:42,880 rightfully exercised over any member of 796 00:35:49,859 --> 00:35:45,340 a civilized community against his will 797 00:35:52,290 --> 00:35:49,869 is to prevent harm to others the members 798 00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:52,300 own good either physical or moral is not 799 00:35:56,099 --> 00:35:53,500 a sufficient warrant 800 00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:56,109 he cannot rightfully be compelled to do 801 00:36:00,540 --> 00:35:58,450 or forbear because it will be better for 802 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:00,550 him to do so because it will make him 803 00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,570 happier 804 00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,040 because in the opinion of others to do 805 00:36:08,010 --> 00:36:05,920 so would be wise or even right the only 806 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:08,020 part of the conduct of anyone for which 807 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:11,770 he is amenable to society is that which 808 00:36:16,110 --> 00:36:14,170 concerns others in the part which merely 809 00:36:19,170 --> 00:36:16,120 concerns himself is in dependencies of 810 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:19,180 right absolute over himself over his own 811 00:36:24,750 --> 00:36:21,330 body in mind the individual is sovereign 812 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:24,760 in other words free speech is not an 813 00:36:30,030 --> 00:36:27,010 invitation to as the Oxford Dictionary 814 00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:30,040 says the right to express any opinions 815 00:36:35,450 --> 00:36:33,430 without censorship or astray other 816 00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:35,460 members of society are involved and 817 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:44,850 that's part one of this article on free 818 00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:47,410 speech in next week's we look at the 819 00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:49,510 20th century and the developed of 820 00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:52,000 international and global movements for 821 00:37:04,290 --> 00:36:53,640 free speech 822 00:37:07,150 --> 00:37:04,300 [Music] 823 00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:07,160 the skeptic magazine the journal from 824 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:10,310 Australian skeptics subscribe online to 825 00:37:18,010 --> 00:37:12,530 the world's second oldest skeptical 826 00:37:21,010 --> 00:37:18,020 magazine visit WWF XCOM and click the 827 00:37:25,420 --> 00:37:21,020 publication's link you can also find 828 00:37:28,570 --> 00:37:25,430 there over 30 years of back issues free 829 00:37:33,140 --> 00:37:28,580 to download the skeptic magazine from 830 00:37:56,670 --> 00:37:47,590 [Music] 831 00:38:06,820 --> 00:37:58,810 published in the weekend Australian 832 00:38:10,510 --> 00:38:06,830 magazine October the 12th 2019 his stage 833 00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:10,520 name the amazing Randi made him sound 834 00:38:15,490 --> 00:38:13,520 like a porn star but James Randi was and 835 00:38:18,340 --> 00:38:15,500 remains one of the world's most famous 836 00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:18,350 magicians a big influence on the likes 837 00:38:24,940 --> 00:38:21,920 of Penn & Teller not only because of his 838 00:38:27,610 --> 00:38:24,950 technical mastery of the black arts of 839 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:27,620 conjuring and illusions but because of 840 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:30,010 his work in the banking frauds like 841 00:38:35,050 --> 00:38:32,410 spoon bender uri geller 842 00:38:38,350 --> 00:38:35,060 whenever scientists found themselves 843 00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:38,360 baffled by URI or his ilk they call in 844 00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:40,880 Canadian American Randy who'd promptly 845 00:38:46,830 --> 00:38:43,730 replicate the psychic phenomenon that 846 00:38:49,570 --> 00:38:46,840 seemed to be occurring in the laboratory 847 00:38:53,650 --> 00:38:49,580 psychokinesis telepathy distant viewing 848 00:38:56,260 --> 00:38:53,660 all cons like the goings-on in seances 849 00:38:59,740 --> 00:38:56,270 or cold readings of odorous Stokes 850 00:39:04,920 --> 00:38:59,750 or talking to the dead on the telly 851 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:09,370 Randee now 91 was a key to the success 852 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:11,450 of the committee for the scientific 853 00:39:15,970 --> 00:39:13,130 investigations of claims of the 854 00:39:18,910 --> 00:39:15,980 paranormal now known as the committee 855 00:39:21,370 --> 00:39:18,920 for skeptical inquiry a body with Nobel 856 00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:21,380 laureates by the Dozen alarmed by 857 00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:23,569 everything from psychic surgery to the 858 00:39:29,410 --> 00:39:26,480 fat of ufology dick Smith and I wanted 859 00:39:31,509 --> 00:39:29,420 to see a similar body here as the first 860 00:39:34,269 --> 00:39:31,519 step in establishing the Australian 861 00:39:36,789 --> 00:39:34,279 skeptics we brought Randy to Australia 862 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:36,799 among our first efforts leader bunking 863 00:39:43,390 --> 00:39:39,650 of water divining dig Richard Carlton 864 00:39:47,380 --> 00:39:43,400 and I contributed to a large cash price 865 00:39:49,779 --> 00:39:47,390 for anyone who could divine water under 866 00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:49,789 test conditions the creme de la creme of 867 00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:53,359 Oz Devine has tried and utterly failed 868 00:39:58,660 --> 00:39:55,910 over the years our prize money grew 869 00:40:01,650 --> 00:39:58,670 ready to be won by anyone who could 870 00:40:05,049 --> 00:40:01,660 demonstrate any psychic power whatever 871 00:40:06,220 --> 00:40:05,059 many tried spoon benders and the rest of 872 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:06,230 the psychic circus 873 00:40:11,979 --> 00:40:09,890 nobody won later Randy's us supporters 874 00:40:16,809 --> 00:40:11,989 increased the price to a million dollars 875 00:40:19,470 --> 00:40:16,819 the check remains uncashed but let me 876 00:40:21,999 --> 00:40:19,480 describe Randy's demo of psychokinesis 877 00:40:25,450 --> 00:40:22,009 moving an object with the power of the 878 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:25,460 mind the day we met in Dick's office he 879 00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:26,690 plucked a cigarette 880 00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:29,390 I was about to light from my lips dirty 881 00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:33,049 habit and placed it on dicks desk then 882 00:40:37,660 --> 00:40:35,089 there's a dozen journals and cameramen 883 00:40:40,269 --> 00:40:37,670 crowded around Randy he extended 884 00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:40,279 vibrating fingers towards my mole burrow 885 00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:44,089 and then it began to move up and down 886 00:40:49,479 --> 00:40:46,640 the desk when Randy asked us how to 887 00:40:51,729 --> 00:40:49,489 guess how he'd done it everyone had a 888 00:40:55,390 --> 00:40:51,739 theory mostly involving static 889 00:40:57,460 --> 00:40:55,400 electricity no he said while your eyes 890 00:40:59,859 --> 00:40:57,470 and camera were on the gap between my 891 00:41:03,099 --> 00:40:59,869 fingers and the cigarette I was blowing 892 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:03,109 it simple as that and none of you 893 00:41:09,099 --> 00:41:05,930 trained observers noticed the classic 894 00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,109 art of misdirection crucial to conjures 895 00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:11,839 a second or two of distraction is all 896 00:41:17,529 --> 00:41:15,440 Randy needed to blow a cigarette or for 897 00:41:18,109 --> 00:41:17,539 David Copperfield to make the Statue of 898 00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,119 Liberty 899 00:41:23,029 --> 00:41:20,160 disappear right before your eyes and 900 00:41:26,620 --> 00:41:23,039 I've seen him do it it's also the basic 901 00:41:30,049 --> 00:41:26,630 tool of political performance distract 902 00:41:30,620 --> 00:41:30,059 dissemble avoid the question change the 903 00:41:32,749 --> 00:41:30,630 subject 904 00:41:35,749 --> 00:41:32,759 like a kid flipping cards on a New York 905 00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:35,759 City pavement politicians are the 906 00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:38,700 Masters of misdirection we must always 907 00:41:44,089 --> 00:41:41,220 be skeptical of all those who would con 908 00:41:46,970 --> 00:41:44,099 us not only conjurer's like Keller but 909 00:41:50,569 --> 00:41:46,980 also the entrepreneurs evangelists and 910 00:41:52,940 --> 00:41:50,579 influences who want your money and even 911 00:41:55,249 --> 00:41:52,950 more skeptical of the politicians who 912 00:41:58,609 --> 00:41:55,259 want to rule our lives the world 913 00:42:00,799 --> 00:41:58,619 champion miss director Trump using 914 00:42:02,140 --> 00:42:00,809 outrageous tweets to distract from what 915 00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:02,150 he's really up to 916 00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:06,420 misdirection made him POTUS so the three 917 00:42:14,180 --> 00:42:09,660 lessons from my mo bro 1 join the 918 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:14,190 Australian skeptics to give up smoking 3 919 00:42:18,739 --> 00:42:17,130 watch the lips of politicians when 920 00:42:22,670 --> 00:42:18,749 they're moving they're probably lying 921 00:42:30,049 --> 00:42:22,680 but one thing is absolutely 100% certain 922 00:42:32,589 --> 00:42:30,059 they'll be blowing and that was tricks 923 00:42:35,420 --> 00:42:32,599 of the trade by Philip Adams who is a 924 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:35,430 co-founder of Australian skeptics 925 00:42:43,930 --> 00:42:39,930 published on the 4th of October 2019 in 926 00:43:01,420 --> 00:42:43,940 the weekend Australian magazine 927 00:43:01,430 --> 00:43:08,260 [Applause] 928 00:43:13,580 --> 00:43:12,710 hey Richard oh hi Trish hi would you 929 00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:13,590 like a coffee 930 00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:15,480 yeah thanks what are you working on I'm 931 00:43:19,210 --> 00:43:17,310 trying to come up with a new promo to 932 00:43:22,580 --> 00:43:19,220 play on the sceptic zone who's it for 933 00:43:25,310 --> 00:43:22,590 the good thinking Society in the UK you 934 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:25,320 know the oh yeah I know them the guys 935 00:43:29,180 --> 00:43:27,090 who recently chased the homeopaths out 936 00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:29,190 of the UK public health system oh did 937 00:43:32,420 --> 00:43:31,260 they yeah they campaigned and lobbied 938 00:43:35,570 --> 00:43:32,430 government for a while and now you 939 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:35,580 cannot get homeopathy on the NHS so they 940 00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:36,930 can now spend public money on health 941 00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:38,940 care that works Yeah right look I'll 942 00:43:45,830 --> 00:43:41,280 mention that in the promo now their 943 00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:45,840 website is good thinking Society org and 944 00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:47,700 that website is a good resource for 945 00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:50,160 learning more about quackery thanks 946 00:43:52,580 --> 00:43:51,660 Trish that gives me something good to 947 00:44:12,570 --> 00:43:52,590 think about 948 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:13,640 [Applause] 949 00:44:17,970 --> 00:44:15,970 thank you for listening to the skeptic 950 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:17,980 zone next week we have fighting words 951 00:44:24,210 --> 00:44:20,890 part 2 from Tim Mendham and in the 952 00:44:27,570 --> 00:44:24,220 following weeks even more reports and 953 00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,580 articles that Tim has written in fact 954 00:44:34,590 --> 00:44:29,440 not long ago he came over here to the 955 00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:34,600 studios and that's where we recorded his 956 00:44:40,170 --> 00:44:37,380 his items and articles from the skeptic 957 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:40,180 also coming up I hope as I said in the 958 00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:42,370 introduction to bring you some reports 959 00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:45,160 and interviews from saikhan going on as 960 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:48,880 we speak we speak as I record that would 961 00:44:53,850 --> 00:44:50,770 be better maybe we can catch up with 962 00:44:57,300 --> 00:44:53,860 Brian Dunning and get a report about how 963 00:44:59,400 --> 00:44:57,310 the screening of his documentary went 964 00:45:01,620 --> 00:44:59,410 this is science friction this is the 965 00:45:04,890 --> 00:45:01,630 documentary where scientists and science 966 00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:04,900 communicators have been taken out of 967 00:45:14,030 --> 00:45:09,040 context in so called documentaries on TV 968 00:45:18,330 --> 00:45:14,040 and so on and sometimes they made by 969 00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:18,340 careful edits to appear to say the exact 970 00:45:23,370 --> 00:45:21,520 opposite of what they really did say and 971 00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:23,380 I can't wait to see that documentary for 972 00:45:29,090 --> 00:45:26,020 myself thank you to those people in the 973 00:45:35,370 --> 00:45:29,100 last week who did in fact chip in at 974 00:45:37,350 --> 00:45:35,380 skeptic zone TV $11 to mark the 11 years 975 00:45:39,330 --> 00:45:37,360 of the skeptic zone thank you very much 976 00:45:42,450 --> 00:45:39,340 you people that's really wonderful that 977 00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,460 you you did that I'm very grateful and 978 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